The Five

00:04 Hello, everyone. I'm Emily Campagno, along with Kennedy, Jesse Waters, Sandra Smith, and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City, and this is The Five. 00:20 The AI arms race is running hot. In just one hour, President Trump will be rolling out the red carpet for Chinese President Xi Jinping. And the fight over who dominates artificial intelligence is expected to be front and center when the two leaders sit down. Now, this comes as America's tag team of AI CEOs like OpenAI's Sam Altman and Anthropics' Dario Amadei briefing the United Nations today as they push for a slowdown because they say the bots may kill us all. 00:50 It doesn't matter whether people put the risk of catastrophe at 10% or 1% or 12% or 0.1%. None of these levels are remotely acceptable. And we should not train models that we cannot make an extremely strong case that we'll be able to keep under human control. 01:04 This rapid pace of progress will produce incredible benefit for the world. If managed poorly, I even believe that AI could be a risk to humanity as a whole. I believe that this is the most important global security issue facing the world today. 01:19 And get alone of this irony, the Senate Democrats who want America to hit the brakes on AI and give China a chance to take the lead, they were slamming President Trump for being weak on the red dragon. 01:33 Well, today, as Trump whines and dines President Xi at the White House, he has a choice to make. 01:39 Once again, bend the knee to the CCP or to stand up to Xi. 01:44 and defend our national security and keep U.S. ahead of China on AI. Trump, stop fawning over strongmen. Stop calling Xi a great gentleman. 01:57 We must act now before it's too late. 01:59 We need to make sure that China isn't getting access to our advanced technology to create ever more dangerous AI systems. 02:09 Sandra, nothing projects strength like those guys up right there, but not to mention the confusing part of them. Bernie Sanders is on the train as well. 02:16 And Michael Pillsbury on the show today, and he worked in the Department of Defense under Reagan. And he said, this is just too much. Where were they then? All of a sudden, they're hawks, the Democrats. I think it's really important to point out, as we saw the major CEOs of these major technology companies, major American artificial intelligence companies, that all of them have said on the record they believe that China is a threat. OK, they all agree on that. They don't know how much of a threat. They don't know how close they are to super intelligence. 02:47 They just don't know. 02:49 And all of them disagree on how to handle it. But Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg, his take is that restricting gives China advantage. He has a viewpoint of that. OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, you just saw him testifying there. He said we should cooperate with China on safety standards. He obviously agrees with Bernie Sanders and some of those Democrats on it. I think it's pretty rich to hear Democrats standing up and criticizing President Trump for his handling of this when they've had the past 30, 40 years to go hard on China and have chosen not to. 03:21 Jesse Addison. 03:23 I see that there's going to be no deal on AI with China. There's no deal to be had. Trump's not going to slow down cutting edge technological progress because doomers and two tycoons want to stifle their competition and create a monopoly so then they can pat themselves on the back. for saving the world. I saved the world, Emily. Read the book. China doesn't want to slow down because she thinks I stole the line. China doesn't want to slow down because I can't believe you would think that I stole your gimmick. 03:54 That's my gimmick. We're going to talk about this later. But China's in a race with us. They want to win and they're stealing our stuff. We just caught their program with the USA watermark on it. OK, so They want our chips. We're not going to give them the good ones. We want some of their minerals. But if they don't sell it, we're just going to go get it somewhere else. But they can't get the good chips anywhere else but here. 04:21 And if they make a move on Chip Island, a.k.a. Taiwan, we have a nice arms package, which we're just holding here. 14 bill. We're using it as a bargaining chip for this negotiation. Because we want stuff. We don't want them to buy agricultural products and Boeing jets. We want their minerals and we want them to use their influence on Ukraine and Iran. Now, They want to extend this trade truce. Trump doesn't want to. He's ready to go back for round two because we have a bigger market. Their consumers don't buy anything and they're not having any babies over there. 04:56 So we have the upper hand there now to say that Trump's rolling out the red carpet. It's called reciprocity. They treated Trump like a king in Beijing. So he's got to show a little respect. And the guy is a dictator. All the decisions go through him. So you've got to have a nice relationship with him. No one's been tougher on China than Donald Trump. He's the one who started the trade war. He's the one that confronted the China virus. He's the one knocking out all their satellites in Latin America and Iran. 05:28 We got this. Everything is going to be fine. I trust the president. I don't think... 05:35 It's any sort of submissiveness when he's actually just exhibiting some diplomatic skill. 05:42 Let's go to the person who saves the world. 05:47 Every day, five days a week, Fox News podcast, Kennedy Saves the World. The podcast was there long before Jesse's book. Is that true? I appreciate your obsession. 05:55 Maybe your podcast wasn't popular enough to make it up here. 05:58 I have been doing that. 06:00 It is for literate people. 06:02 So Jesse does not have been... 06:05 Was your podcast before The O'Reilly Factor? I don't think so. 06:08 My podcast was the author of The No Spin Zone. 06:12 Another line that was also cribbed. 06:15 Did he crib the No Spin Zone? No, we're kidding. We're kidding. It's a joke. Please don't. Hello, Mr. O'Reilly. It was a joke. 06:22 Please don't send the robots. 06:25 You have a lot of very interesting things going on here. And I don't know why the people who are at the forefront of trying to kneecap all of their competitors are the ones who are going before the UN saying, you know, maybe we should be the ones in charge of AI policy for the entire world. Well, maybe you should bring their direct competitors who have been very vocal, like Mark Zuckerberg, like Jensen Huang, and have them all get in the same room on the same panel, and hash it out. And, you know, if they can come to a consensus about security, I'd rather see that happen than a massive capitulation to China. 07:02 So what President Trump has to do, and, you know, I'm not afraid to offer a little bit of unsolicited advice. He has to go to Xi and pretend like he's terrified, like, oh my gosh, like, AI is out of control. Did you hear these AI... Bots are getting out of their sandboxes and they're just getting into other systems and they have the potential to destroy the world. We have to stop all of this. Just you and I can do it. And then she'll be like, oh, my gosh, you're totally right. And that's when China slams on the brakes. 07:33 And Trump says to Mark Zuckerberg, Jensen Wang, Elon Musk, all gas, no brakes. And you have to realize that many things can be happening at once. Sure, there are some weird AI threats. They should have known that all along. And if it's too scary for them, they should not be building these models. But also, like, yes, China wants to steal all of our stuff and try and make themselves as sexy as possible. And we have to get to the plastic surgeon first. We do. 08:03 Just like in the original Top Gun. Hit the brakes and he'll fly right by. Exactly right. Greg. Greg. 08:08 Yeah, I trust that China will do what's in their best interest. I do not trust the Dems will do what's best in our interest. When I heard them speak, I could not figure out what side they were talking about. Were they saying slow down or speed up? They didn't even know because they don't know anything about AI or SI, as I like to call it. If you think about open AI and Anthropic, imagine any other company. that pulled this kind of shtick that said, I made this product and I no longer can control it. 08:40 I mean, it's like a casino announcing that their slot machines have developed an independent will or that the copiers in the building have gone rogue and they're going around Xeroxing everybody's butts. Fox News hosts are climbing out of the TV to strangle you. I wish. But AI has a power cord. It has power and it has a payroll. They aren't acting on their own. But the fear angle is there to pretend it's an independent force. So nobody is the adult in the room and they cannot be blamed if they want the government to buy that idea so that they aren't liable. 09:16 That's part of the piece. Again. 09:20 We keep going over this, but if AI is so dangerous, why aren't the two CEOs either resigning or heroically, unilaterally shutting it down? They're the CEOs. They could shut it down. Their product, their responsibility, but they're not. So the scare is to allow a pause that keeps them in the lead while punishing their upstarts. Their upstarts, they can't afford to stay afloat without making money. You know, it's like DEI, like Nike and McDonald's can handle DEI. Smaller companies can't. 09:51 That's why they accepted DEI. They didn't care about the little guy. But they want the liability coverage from the government in case of a mass casualty event. But they have to be on the hook because they are on the hook. They want the government to legalize coordination without losing the AI race. China's going to be going ahead anyway. But they want rules that price their rivals out of the game while acting like the adult. You think China is going to freeze in place with the rest of us? No, they're going to flood the world with cheap, faster models. The pause is a gift to them. 10:22 It's like, what do you call it, a pit stop in a race? You know, well, we were changing our tires. They're going to be racing at top speed. Imagine if this happened on the race to the moon. In the 1960s, our American government said, you know, we're going to pause the space race so everybody can like, you know, we wouldn't do that. We're America, the United States of F in America. We're going to run this this A.I. table and we're going to win. 10:54 Yeah, I'm pumped up. All right, guys, coming up next. Don't believe your feed. The Democrats secret paid influencer army just got exposed. 11:22 Are the Democrats finally growing a spine? DNC Chair Ken Martin saying enough is enough with 9-11 apologist Hassan Piker. 11:30 I think it's absolutely disgusting and deplorable the things that Hassan Fikir has said, right? But he does not represent the Democratic Party. And he certainly doesn't represent the viewpoints of almost every one of our candidates and our elected officials. No one should confuse unity with unanimity in the Democratic Party, right? We are a Big Ten party. We have lots of different viewpoints and ideas. 11:53 But Piker is just one tentacle of the Democrats' influencer octopus. The New York Times reporting on an army of left-wing content creators, more than 100 getting paid by a progressive group to post about the cost of living. Some of them earn as much as 30 bucks a video. And get this, only a third appear to live in the state they post about. Like this guy here goes by the name Drew. He griped about the cost of living in Texas compared with California. His video was seen nearly 3 million times. Only problem, Drew apparently doesn't even live in the Lone Star State. 12:26 And that might not even be his name. 12:29 They basically paid me retainer and then any view bonuses to make TikToks slash Instagram reels about whatever content they wanted me to do. So they were paying me to post very left leaning stuff about how Texas was super expensive and how it has been hard for me living in Texas. I don't even live in Texas. I'm from Utah. I'm in Florida right now. 12:54 All right, Greg. So what's going on here? 12:57 The teleprompter said that Ken Martin was growing his spine. No, the only reason why they're shutting Pike Piker down now is because he amplified the Democrat Party's worst talking points at the worst time, a midterm. 13:14 It wouldn't have mattered if this was a year ago, but it's now. Can't you just shut up, Piker, just for another few months? But the narratives are there in the party. They already existed. The police are racist. Defund law enforcement. Border enforcement is racist. Capitalism is evil. 13:31 The Dems have been saying that forever. They just didn't want that amplified as people go to vote. They're like the progressive couple on your block. that invites a homeless meth ed to stay the night because they want to show their compassion. Then they wake up. There's a meth lab in the living room and the dog is dead. That is the socialist faction, the Democrat Party and Hassan Parker. The party only deals with bad people when it's costing them something. And that is during the midterm elections. 14:02 Piker is like your... He's like your colorful uncle that you find amusing until your wedding comes up and you just don't want him at the reception. You know what I mean? But there's so many people worse than him. You guys forget. There are so many people that embraced Palestine after October 7th and mocked Charlie Kirk's murder and called everyone Hitler. There are a lot of people worse than him. Stretch face Skeletor. 14:29 Jennifer Lynch or Welch. Jennifer Welch. She's 10 times worse than this guy. 14:34 I remember Reverend Wright. Yes. Chickens come home to roost. That's kind of mild. That's mild compared to this. And, you know, this guy can't go anywhere. Even if he wanted to, his job is to talk nonstop for hours all day. Where is he going to go? 14:50 Yeah, I think they have a real problem on their hands they've been dealing with for a while. But also, can I just weigh in on the messaging that I think is the original bot, right? I mean, all these guys that are paying the influencers to talk about affordability in states they don't even live. If you dig into the New York Times report, only a third of the creators who are complaining about this affordability crisis lived in the states that they were in. complaining about. I think it's helping spread their message in a big way. That Texas guy, what was his name? Doug? Andrew? Drew? 15:21 Drew. Apparently he's posted 68 times. Only three of them he actually spoken because he's got a very thick British accent. Turns out he doesn't even live in Texas. He has Choose in Texas embedded in 27 of the 68 posts, almost half of them. It's kind of funny, but it's kind of not. When you think about these creators and the messaging that they are able to spread so quickly and those that they're getting to the quickest, considering this is TikTok and Instagram, they're reaching a lot of young people, especially heading up into an election. 15:51 I think we have to pay attention to it. It spreads fast. I've been wondering, where's this affordability messaging coming from? Somebody is really getting it out there. And it's some of it's in states that aren't having a crisis that they're talking about. 16:01 We should pay our own influencers, shouldn't we? We should just have an army of other people that say other things. The exact opposite of this army. 16:11 Why can't we just start throwing money around? 16:13 I think we should pay people here more first. 16:16 Why don't we pay our people more? Then you won't need influencers. 16:24 Yeah, I think it's my understanding that this was the answer to that, that frankly, there was an organic and authentic army of influencers that represented the conservative movement and the fact that people were really sick and tired of not being heard, of having that sort of elite voice only occurring out of the prior administration. So as always, the Dems are just trying to buy it. And what I think is interesting is that we're seeing the shift. So in the past, right, people, companies, figures, candidates, would pay, let's say, $1,000 for one post or up to $25,000 for one video. 16:59 But now, I guess it's the economy, they've been paying a lot less. So now they pay 300 people or 500 people a dollar for every view or a dollar for every thousand views, because their goal now is not to influence with one video. It's to influence the algorithm. And my question is, with the legislation that has passed, for example, in California that makes you disclose whether you've been paid for something, then does that influence the algorithm? 17:24 Is it factored in that it's actually not organic? Because they're just trying to say... by building up the volume. Look at this surge. Look at everyone talking about the economy under age 28. But then it distills it down. And are there people who are typing out the algorithm or however it works, that say, well, no, no, no, 90% of these are from Niger and Thailand. But I'll say this, a lot of people are giving credit poorly to those companies because they're also saying, for example, Spencer Pratt, they said, he became a serious candidate instead of just a celebrity because of paying videos to get disseminated. 17:59 But that's not what got the videos disseminated. That was because he was exposing the lies and the artifice that that everyone in L.A. had been living under by their mayor and by the Pacific Palisades fires cover up and all the things. So I think, again, they're confusing the reality and authenticity of what happened on the right with how they're trying to manufacture it. But like you said, all that content's already out there. The algorithm is already in their horrible anti-Semitic favor. And that's thanks to China and our enemies and the libs in meta. 18:30 That's not because they're paying for it. 18:32 You know, when you watch a commercial and they say at the bottom, you know, this person's a paid actress, not a real person, they should just do that, right? They do that with your show. 18:42 Ha! 18:43 That's how, when you see the lower third, Jesse Waters, paid news actor. 18:49 Yes. None of his views are his own. 18:53 If you're experiencing any swelling... 18:57 Swelling, confusion, blindness. 19:03 You've been watching Jesse Watters Prime Time. 19:09 There's a question somewhere. 19:12 I know. And all of this is going to be figured out. Like, it's very interesting because right now this is just the first stage, like figuring out how to use AI to bombard people. And now there are people in opposition who are going to figure out how to identify and suss out people who are being inauthentic or just downright fraudulent. But it does feel like there is a billionaire, a communist billionaire stroking a hairless cat somewhere going, affordability. 19:43 I've got them now. 19:45 And, you know, yes, I think there there is something to be said for every side having to carve this out, because if this is the phase of warfare that we're in, then why would you cede the advantage to the enemy? And, you know, it goes back to the idea of this big tent that Of course, if we have a two party system, both parties have to have a really big tent. But that doesn't mean you have to encourage the loudest, most obnoxious, attention seeking, toxic a-holes into your tent to define your policy talking points. 20:21 And that's what they have done with Hassan Piker. He's not some random California Twitch streamer, which is how, you know, they are trying to denigrate his reputation. 20:32 Abdul El-Sayed went and campaigned with him. And it was an embarrassment for him because you see the height differential. You know, Hassan Piker is apparently 6'7". 20:41 Abdul El-Sayed is apparently shorter than Greg Gutfeld. But he chose to take that giant on the campaign trail because he thought it would get him currency with progressive voters in America. Michigan. Unfortunately, progressive voters are the most susceptible to this virulent mind virus. And we saw that in New York. It was younger voters who happened to be very activated during the primary here in New York City. And they voted for Mom Donnie because he had slick little videos and dimples. 21:13 And they didn't think about the unintended consequences of what his brand of governance might mean for the rest of New York and eventually a lot of the country who is going to be governed by horrible mayors just like him. 21:27 Can I see you pet the hairless cat one more time? 21:31 Coming up next, Obamacare fraud in your neighborhood. Who are you going to call? J.D. 's fraud busters. 21:57 J.D. Vance busting Obamacare fraud. The Veep's anti-fraud task force is scrubbing more than 750,000 suspected phony enrollments. That's over a quarter, three quarters of a million, Jesse. People who either did not qualify for coverage or did not exist at all. Roll it, Ronald. 22:14 The amount of money that we're stopping from going to fraudsters today, $2.2 billion. The average American child receives about $4,000 in health care benefits every single year. That means that we are saving 550,000 American children's worth of health care that was going to fraudsters. 22:35 And elsewhere on our fraud radar, a relief fund in Minnesota for businesses affected by ICE just got shut down after more than two thirds of the applications were flagged. 22:47 So, Kennedy, that's your real name. Don't you get the feeling that after every Democrat administration, you're going to need Republicans to come in and doge the place? It's like after a hurricane of looting, you know, where there was no oversight, no break. Somebody has to come in and clean up the mess. 23:02 Yeah. And it doesn't matter. So if you have a thousand areas where there is so much fraud that need to be cleaned up, that require sunlight, and everyone should agree that we shouldn't have fraud, we shouldn't have people who just come to this country and take advantage of these flush systems in order to enrich themselves. But you do that and you make one misstep like they did, Doge did with the USAID funding. And liberals gave themselves license to absolutely lose their minds and be like, oh, now kids in Africa are going to get AIDS. 23:38 And it's like, OK, take that aside. How is this not the most bipartisan thing in the world? How is this not people looking at their states and opening the books, whether it's federal funding for state Medicaid and Medicare systems or, you know, some of the hospice systems and daycare systems in places from Minnesota to California. How are they not all going after this? And of course, when you have a new massive government entitlement like Obamacare, they're going to be people who get on the system just to bilk it, just to take the money because it is being presented as altruistic. 24:18 And free. And those are magical words. Those are aphrodisiacs to people who want to subversively come to this country and commit fraud. But that is what we are seeing. And I love that it's Doge by another name because we should limit the size of government because the bigger government, the more fraud. It is a direct correlation. 24:41 Yeah, you know, Emily, Kennedy brings up an interesting point that in 2026, fighting fraud is now a right wing thing. It used to be a bipartisan thing. But now if you if you if you suggest that you want to get rid of corruption, that has to be MAGA right wing stuff. 25:01 Which is so shocking. Why should asking where our tax dollars go, why should accounting for the income that we have to tithe to the government be considered controversial, to your point? We can't barely buy a cup of coffee, or at least I can't, without a code being sent to my phone that I have to say yes to. Why does that standard drop the second my money goes into the public sphere? I don't understand how the Dems and the Libs can can release any kind of ownership over the fact that that is a contribution of all of us that we unfortunately share. 25:34 The only income our government receives is from our paychecks. There is no business that they're actually running and losing that type of oversight, frankly, capitulating to the racism thread. I mean, we have the feeding our father's founder, feeding our fathers, feeding our futures. founder that threatened a racism lawsuit when simply asked for an accounting mechanism. And then that's what Congress's report uncovered, that officials were like, oh, no, we're going to potentially have to field a lawsuit over racism. 26:06 So they dropped. So you're telling me that that kind of surrender of income and the capitulation to that racism charge is all of a sudden the atom bomb for oversight. When did that happen? You can't run any business. You can't run your household without understanding where every dollar goes. And the thought that it's somehow associated with MAGA and therefore we're going to ignore it and stop Nick Shirley via legislation is somehow acceptable. That's the most shocking part. 26:33 The problem, too, Sandra, is that most Americans don't see it as their money anyway. So when they hear about fraud, it's like it's not it's like, well, it's not coming out of my paycheck. But it actually 100 percent is. 26:43 Yeah, it is. 26:44 Well, not for everybody, but for most people, it is not misplaced. 26:47 It is stolen fraud. from your paycheck. That is your money, your hard-earned money stolen. 750,000 people were fraudulently enrolled in Obamacare. Who else was going to stop that? This is becoming a defining legacy, some see it as, of this administration. They've uncovered $230 billion in climbing and fraud. $56 billion in payments have been stopped. This Treasury screening that they have is incredibly effective. The message they're sending that is if you're a fraudster, you will be caught. 27:18 If you commit fraud, you will suffer the consequences. Now that health care is a big target, they are making great strides in that. But the message is clean it up. And yes, that is your hard earned money that they are protecting from fraudsters who are pocketing themselves. I mean, how many stories has the administration aired? They're buying mansions. They're buying yachts. Those are your dollars. No. 27:39 You know, Jesse, in the green room, you looked at me. You said, you know, Greg, this is the tip of the iceberg. And then out of a cooler, you pulled out a big block of ice. 27:49 You know how they found the frog, Greg? How? AI. Yeah, there you go. And that's why the Democrats are so scared, because it could expose everything. Patterns. Obama and Biden designed the program like this. So you get a kickback. They call it a commission, but I like to call it a kickback. Every time you sign somebody up for Obamacare. So they had a fraud ring that would just go around and sign up like 50,000 people for Obamacare and then just count the money. And the people didn't exist or they didn't live here or they weren't eligible. 28:23 And these guys were just making it rain. And they made it easy for the fraud to happen. They had a million people, Greg, enroll in Obamacare with no Social Security numbers. And then no one flagged it. After COVID, Obamacare enrollment doubled, all of a sudden doubled. And then all of a sudden, all these scammers got paid. That's what's going on. And you know who said finding fraud and corruption was a right wing thing besides you? Mondani. 28:54 He said it can't be where one party owns rooting out fraud and corruption. And the next party is like, I know it's partisan. You can't have a high trust society when one party is like, Doesn't care. 29:08 Wow. So you're supporting Mondani. Mondani for president. There you go. 29:12 Obama can do it. So can he. 29:14 All right. I think he's joking. Up next, Sonny goes easy on a cannibal killer. 29:30 Take my heart over. 29:37 Well, there are some things in life that you may want to keep to yourself. The View co-host Sunny Hostin boasting that she was the holdout juror in the case of Daniel Rockowitz, the New York City cannibal killer, better known as the butcher of Tompkins Square Park. She says she was the only reason he was found not guilty by reason of insanity for killing and then boiling his roommate. Watch. 30:03 I was a holdout juror in a case, in the Daniel Rakowitz case. I don't know if people remember it, the butcher of Tompkins Square Park. It was in 1990. 30:10 The guy who ate the victims? 30:11 Yes. 30:11 I saw clearly that he was psychotic. 30:14 Of course. He was in a psychosis. He did not mean to kill her. And once he killed her, he panicked. He chopped up her body parts. Yes, boiled her body parts. Tried to commit the perfect crime and then fed her. 30:27 this guy off? No, no, no. 30:31 But he fed... That's how much I believe in the insanity defense. And he fed her body parts to the unhoused. 30:38 Kennedy almost sounds like she's boasting about that. This was a 26-year-old Swiss dance student, Monica Burley, in New York City, August 1989. He dismembered this woman because this was his roommate. 30:53 She wanted him to move out of her apartment. Yeah, I wonder why. 30:58 Yeah. And Sonny Hostin is dancing on her grave. You know, this young woman, this victim, does she deserve to be relegated to obscurity because Sonny Hostin is now doing some sort of a really creepy flex? Yes. Like, this is not the move you think it is. This is actually deeply unsettling that there are people out there like her who will use, like, an unlimited capacity for being completely irrational to essentially torture society when they have been given a great judicial commandment. 31:36 And, you know, sitting on a jury should be sacred. But for her... she didn't seem to care at all. And it's almost as like she's recounting the story with absolute glee. And, you know, I really hope that the people who were contemplating Lindsay Clancy's future were not gleeful. And a lot of the conversation that is surrounding Lindsay Clancy, we often forget her children. And that's what should stay in focus here, to borrow a phrase from Harris Faulkner. What was the message she was sending here, Emily? 32:08 Look, I don't know, but it's confusing in part because when she says he went on to try to commit the perfect crime, by definition, that involves a mindset where you have full appreciation of the criminal wrongdoing of your actions. And to me, this just shows what a sophomoric She has of not only the law, regardless of her being an attorney, but also of the world and the real world. What a colossal waste of then resources, not to mention the abject pain and suffering that her decision that she's now gleeful and proud about went on to inflict so far. 32:46 First of all, before he crushed the windpipe of that young dancer and then beheaded her and boiled her and ate her brains and fed her to the homeless with fingers in it and then put her skull in kitty litter in Port Authority. Before all that, he also tried to kill his father. He kidnapped and held captive his teenage bride. And then he engaged in multiple assaultive events. I know this because then our tax dollars went on to pay for parole after parole after parole hearing and then another trial. 33:21 Because someone like that, who thinks that she believes so deeply in psychosis, which I'm pretty sure wasn't part of the vernacular back then, of especially his trial to determine competency. So New York had a separate trial to determine whether he was still a physical danger to others and himself. And in the determination, the jury then... 33:42 said, of course he is a physical danger to himself and to others. Of course this person is a monster. But somehow, often and repeated, he is still up for debate of whether he should be in a place that keeps him secure and whether, in fact, he should be released. So thanks so much for doing all of us a horrific disservice, not to mention just absolutely dancing on the grave of that poor young woman who's no longer with us. 34:08 Jesse, nobody made her reveal this or make this confession. I mean, she obviously sees this as beneficial to her career in that chair to reveal this to the to the public. 34:17 I can't believe she waited all these years to drop this on us. I mean, she does this show every day. And now we find out. And I got to say, I agree with her. I think this guy's nuts. If anybody should be deemed insane, it's this guy. You're feeding the homeless finger soup. 34:35 You're bringing the cops to a thing, a kitty litter where the skull is. 34:41 And this guy's walking around with a live rooster in the park saying he's God at trial. He wanted to smoke a joint with the judge. OK, he offered to smoke grass with the jurors. This guy is obviously insane. And I think Sonny did the right thing. 35:00 Maybe that's an artificial stance. Maybe it's not. You'll never know. 35:05 But she got the guy. 35:06 Yeah. You asked what you asked, Emily, what the message was. The message was Sonny is awesome. I am the star of this movie, not the victim. The way she told the story is structured just like the plot of 12 Angry Men. She's the only character with a spine. And in her account, the 11 other jurors, they had no arguments. 35:29 She saw the case clearly. She knew she was right. She asked the questions and she picked. She picked each juror off one by one. A lone juror standing against a near unanimous group demanding a simple, brutal verdict. But not her. The deliberations were long. They were hot. They were hostile. But she wouldn't be bullied. No, no, no. She wins with the Socratic method. One after another asking, what about this? What about this? Sound familiar? Henry Fonda in the movie. 36:00 And the conversion of each juror was one by one, showing her lonely courage to finally win in this incredible story where you forget, you forget that a woman was chopped up. It's the heroic juror. She claims when he methodically got rid, this is where I poke holes in your artificial stance. When she claims he methodically got rid of her body because he panicked, panicked, Panic is a sane reaction. He knew he did something wrong. 36:31 He knew there would be consequences for a Democrat. That is crazy. They're not used to that. But the fact of the matter is. If you're going to commit the perfect crime, you make it as insane as possible for this very reason. The thing is, she didn't read that room. She thought her ghoulish escapade was going to be a big brag, a big flex. She came off as somebody dancing on the victim's graves. She I mean, she's really gross. 37:04 Yeah. 37:04 Can I tell you something that I've never told anybody? Sure. I was on the OJ jury. No, really? And they were going to convict. I convinced everybody not guilty. 37:13 All right. Coming up next, Gen Z is trading day drinking for day deadlifting. 37:20 Watch me dance, dress the night away. I'll still get the body burning out one day. And some sweat when the heat is on. 37:32 power station fronted by Robert Palmer. Greg was right. 37:37 RIP. Welcome back. Gen Z is throwing wellness darties, which are daytime parties with DJs, workouts and cold plunges, matcha, protein bars and fruit. Boring, Sandra. 37:48 I love it. And this would have come in handy when I was running track at LSU because I was always the one like not having something to drink. I think we were always about wellness. We like to party too and drink, but we got up at 6 a.m. and ran and got that done so we could have fun later. I don't know. College is really, you have to socialize and have fun. I'm not saying you have to drink to socialize, but I think it's a fun part of it. You have to laissez le bon temps rouler. 38:11 Yeah, the only fruit we had was in our spody. That might be a West Coast word. What I love the most were the comments to this. Like someone that was like, the only running we did was in like a bra and underwear and we were drinking the whole time and it was a mile. Like, Obviously, we went to college at a different time. I will say I've done these daybreak sober yoga dance parties, and they're amazing. I love them so much, but I had a fun college experience. 38:31 But also detox, retox is a thing, Jesse. 38:34 Yeah, I did a lot of that. I think this is just an excuse to get the girls into the workout gear and then run behind them, because that's what I saw on that video. 38:42 And the cold plunge, Greg. 38:44 All I see is a group of unruly teens. 38:48 Just like in your basement. I think it's great. 38:51 I think they're boring and we're doomed. 38:54 One more thing is up next. It's time now for one more thing, Greg. 39:09 Well, for the remaining minute, I'd like to do some poetry. Tonight, 10 p.m., Jamie Lissow, Jeff Dye, Kat Tip, and Tyrus. 39:17 Yesterday, the country honored Sean Michael Lee, age 50, who died on September 13th, 2026, after a life defined by service, loyalty, and courage. Sean spent more than 20 years serving his country in the United States Army, including multiple combat deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan. And for more than a decade after, Sean continued serving veterans and his country through Save Our Allies and at the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs. When Afghanistan fell in 2021, he helped coordinate the safe passage and evacuation of allies. 39:50 When Russia invaded Ukraine, he helped coordinate the extraordinary operation to evacuate Benjamin Hall. And in Hurricane Helene, he slept in his car helping the community to safety. Sean spent his life answering the call and his absence.